Reading about Jay's son Joe soloing over the house and eventually
asking for the Pathfinder for a date reminded me of a funny story.

My oldest brother had recently gotten his private cert. in the 70s
and, in my dad's absense, convinced my mom that "dad said I could take
my girlfriend on a plane ride." My dad was on a day-long trip training
a pilot in the Howard 500.
My brother had convinced mom to give him the keys to the Cessna 182 so
he could take his girlfriend (now wife) flying. So they climb into the
family plane, which dad had NOT given permission to do, and fly up to
Austin (from San Antonio) for a nice lunch.
During lunch, dad happened to land in Austin and taxi the big Howard
up to the FBO and, looking at the ramp thought; "WHAT is my airplane
doing up here?"
Can anyone say; "OOPS?!"

Ricky

> Can anyone say; "OOPS?!"

Ha! Great story, Ricky...

We've already shared the pattern with Joe -- THAT was bizarre enough.
I still have a hard time shaking the notion that he's not just a
little boy in a man's body, at age 17.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Oct 15, 7:40 am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
> I still have a hard time shaking the notion that he's not just a
> little boy in a man's body, at age 17.

He sort of is, if he's like most teenagers. I remeber a friend
relating a story of taking a babysitter home and they were chatting
and she suddenly went from adult sounding conversation to something
quie childish. His comment "She's a half done adult..." I've always
thought that summed it up.

I can only imagine the flying-judgement anxiety. I have two driving
and one who'll get his permit this December. I have serious
reservations about judgement, but so far (2 - 1 1/2 years) no bent
metal.

At the same time, you'd just about pop shirt buttons with some of the
things they do, right?

John
Father of 4, 3 teens.
PP-ASEL

> I can only imagine the flying-judgement anxiety. I have two driving
> and one who'll get his permit this December. I have serious
> reservations about judgement, but so far (2 - 1 1/2 years) no bent
> metal.

You're lucky. Joe had his "mandatory" fender bender last year,
hitting a curb after missing a turn (when his sister yelled "Turn
here!") and collapsing the left front wheel/tie rod/suspension on our
Subaru Outback.

No one was hurt, he paid us back for the damage, and it *has* made him
a better driver. Funny how that works.

As for flying, we're trying to instill in him a healthy fear of IFR
conditions, the importance of a thorough pre-flight, the stupidity of
buzzing your friend's house, etc.

With a 17 year old boy, however, it's always a question as to how
deeply this stuff is sinking in...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Can anyone say; "OOPS?!"
>
> Ha! Great story, Ricky...
>
> We've already shared the pattern with Joe -- THAT was bizarre enough.
> I still have a hard time shaking the notion that he's not just a
> little boy in a man's body, at age 17.
>
> ;-)

Yeah, just you wait a very few years...
--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC.
Cheyenne, WY

("Ricky" wrote)
> My oldest brother had recently gotten his private cert. in the 70s and, in
> my dad's absense, convinced my mom that "dad said I could take my
> girlfriend on a plane ride." My dad was on a day-long trip training a
> pilot in the Howard 500.


http://maxair2air.com/06AIR/Howard500/O01.html
There are a couple of Howard 500's at our airport - GREAT looking plane.

http://maxair2air.com/AIR/MaxAirArchive.html
Interesting photo site - much of it local to the Twin Cities area

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.zoeller/HowardPix.htm
Some more Howards


Montblack

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message

> As for flying, we're trying to instill in him a healthy fear of IFR
> conditions, the importance of a thorough pre-flight, the stupidity of
> buzzing your friend's house, etc.
>
> With a 17 year old boy, however, it's always a question as to how
> deeply this stuff is sinking in...

Deeper than you think, I'll bet.

My son has recently graduated from college, and has gotten a job in his
field. He is also looking hard for a house, and plans to get married soon.

He also recently got a boat with a blown/cracked 4.3 V-6, and with reading
the repair manual and my advice, has gone and found junkyard heads, cleaned
them up, and gotten the engine running in top condition.

Funny, I thought, one day. How in the world did he get so responsible?

If you lead with a good example of behavior, responsibility and integrity,
and most importantly have his respect, he will follow your lead. At least
that is my theory.

Plenty of trust also helps, and plenty of faith in how they will honor that
trust. Until they let you down (and I hope that never happens) the freedom
that you give them tells them, most clearly, that they have your trust.

I think he will do just fine, from the times that I met him. Pass the faith
along!
--
Jim in NC

> the stupidity of buzzing your friend's house, etc.
>

Heck.. 17 yr olds?
I knew a couple college graduates, AF Pilots that got in trouble doing that
in a T-38 in god forsaken no where Minnesota.

BT
(no it was not I)

On Oct 15, 11:10 am, wrote:
> On Oct 15, 7:40 am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> > I still have a hard time shaking the notion that he's not just a
> > little boy in a man's body, at age 17.
>
> He sort of is, if he's like most teenagers. I remeber a friend
> relating a story of taking a babysitter home and they were chatting
> and she suddenly went from adult sounding conversation to something
> quie childish. His comment "She's a half done adult..." I've always
> thought that summed it up.
>
> I can only imagine the flying-judgement anxiety. I have two driving
> and one who'll get his permit this December. I have serious
> reservations about judgement, but so far (2 - 1 1/2 years) no bent
> metal.
>
> At the same time, you'd just about pop shirt buttons with some of the
> things they do, right?
>
> John
> Father of 4, 3 teens.
> PP-ASEL

I think they have the judgement, its just that they are easily
overcome by peer pressure. They are constantly trying to outdo each
other, and this is where things can go bad. Fortunately a teen teen
pilot is a rarity that there will be less pressure to push the limits.
That's not the case with driving.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> On Oct 15, 11:10 am, wrote:
>
>>On Oct 15, 7:40 am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I still have a hard time shaking the notion that he's not just a
>>>little boy in a man's body, at age 17.
>>
>>He sort of is, if he's like most teenagers. I remeber a friend
>>relating a story of taking a babysitter home and they were chatting
>>and she suddenly went from adult sounding conversation to something
>>quie childish. His comment "She's a half done adult..." I've always
>>thought that summed it up.
>>
>>I can only imagine the flying-judgement anxiety. I have two driving
>>and one who'll get his permit this December. I have serious
>>reservations about judgement, but so far (2 - 1 1/2 years) no bent
>>metal.
>>
>>At the same time, you'd just about pop shirt buttons with some of the
>>things they do, right?
>>
>>John
>>Father of 4, 3 teens.
>>PP-ASEL
>
>
> I think they have the judgement, its just that they are easily
> overcome by peer pressure. They are constantly trying to outdo each
> other, and this is where things can go bad. Fortunately a teen teen
> pilot is a rarity that there will be less pressure to push the limits.
> That's not the case with driving.
>
>
>
>
>
I know a parent who got a raving phone call from a high school principal
who informed them that their boy "stole an airplane and endangered the
lives of innocent students". Well, the principal was surprised when the
parents informed him their child did no such thing. The child was
allowed to use that aircraft and was a pilot. The kid got yelled at for
taking blabber mouths flying and informed if he decide to cut school to
fly to the beach he should take kids who could keep their mouths shut.
The kid (who is probably pushing retirement now) went on to work at a
FSDO. Another "kid" (40ish now) could take a plane anywhere at 16 but
couldn't have the car on Saturday night. The peer thing is really the
difference.

Margy

On Oct 15, 1:57 pm, "Montblack" <Y4_NOT!...
> wrote:
> ("Ricky" wrote)
>
> > My oldest brother had recently gotten his private cert. in the 70s and, in
> > my dad's absense, convinced my mom that "dad said I could take my
> > girlfriend on a plane ride." My dad was on a day-long trip training a
> > pilot in the Howard 500.
>
> http://maxair2air.com/06AIR/Howard500/O01.html
> There are a couple of Howard 500's at our airport - GREAT looking plane.
>
> http://maxair2air.com/AIR/MaxAirArchive.html
> Interesting photo site - much of it local to the Twin Cities area
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.zoeller/HowardPix.htm
> Some more Howards
>
> Montblack

That yellow & green one is the only one left flying right now.
I'm aquainted with the pilot/mechanic, who has been flying &
maintaining this 500 for several different owners (insurance &
experience benifits).
The Howard is an incredibly expensive & complex bird to keep flying &
maintaining.
My dad was involved with the R&D in making the Howard 250 & 500 an all
new aircraft (not just old WWII stock) and a leader in the executive
transport arena. Unfortunately, Dee Howard & my dad were several years
too late as the Lear had already gained a significant foothold by the
time the Howard was ready for the market.
My dad was Dee Howard's chief pilot, test pilot, and instructor in all
the Howard line of aircraft.
The Howard is a big, beautiful twin taildragger with lots of power,
speed & sex appeal.

Ricky

Ricky

("Ricky" wrote)
> The Howard is a big, beautiful twin taildragger with lots of power, speed
> & sex appeal.


Wanted to make sure people knew this was a photo album link.

(click the >>>) for more pics.

http://maxair2air.com/06AIR/Howard500/O01.html
There are a couple of Howard 500's at our airport - GREAT looking plane.


Montblack

"Montblack" <> wrote

> http://maxair2air.com/06AIR/Howard500/O01.html
> There are a couple of Howard 500's at our airport - GREAT looking plane.

EVERYONE !

You owe it to yourself, to look (in detail-follow the links) to look this
over, closely, if you did not know about this bird. I never knew anything
like this existed. It is fascinating.

Imagine; a twin radial blowing past big, modern jets on approach, because it
doesn't want to go that slow.

A nearly sea level cabin, at 20,000 feet, with the ability to go much
higher.

All this, and it still flies every day or two, and not just for air shows
and such.

Fascinating.
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com
>
> As for flying, we're trying to instill in him a healthy fear of IFR
> conditions, the importance of a thorough pre-flight, the stupidity of
> buzzing your friend's house, etc.

I think I understand your point, but can we agree on teaching a healthy
*respect* for IMC (instead of fear)? :)

--
John T
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